tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.comments2022-11-25T02:53:30.337-08:00What I Never Knew About MormonismStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-13073318773575031122016-02-09T15:57:36.751-08:002016-02-09T15:57:36.751-08:00Just a thought... Could the Spirit be witnessing t...Just a thought... Could the Spirit be witnessing to you that the principal was true, albeit the details of the story may or may not have been? Nate and Lyndshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11807045670300831699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-20786983420117658572012-03-27T21:40:19.269-07:002012-03-27T21:40:19.269-07:00Thanks Donna! I know you've been waiting. :)Thanks Donna! I know you've been waiting. :)Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-59968666339313455732012-03-27T07:43:11.356-07:002012-03-27T07:43:11.356-07:00Wow. I'd never heard the Great Chicago Fire st...Wow. I'd never heard the Great Chicago Fire story! Glad to see another post up on this fantastic blog!Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-48130367687458626472012-01-10T10:22:05.676-08:002012-01-10T10:22:05.676-08:00Steve, I got a big smile when I saw you toward the...Steve, I got a big smile when I saw you toward the top of my blog roll. This is a great post about why people leave the LDS Church and about their evolution in thought and attitude after leaving. Looking forward to the next post!Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-67793426157623914152011-04-03T21:42:50.928-07:002011-04-03T21:42:50.928-07:00Glad you found it Donna, hope you don't have t...Glad you found it Donna, hope you don't have to wait as long for the next one. :)<br /><br />Leah, I'm going to have to steal your brother's quote, that captures it so well! I guess you don't have to worry about being wrong or accused of false prophecies if you're waiting for science and public opinion to shape policies.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-77749443329379771612011-03-24T05:08:14.712-07:002011-03-24T05:08:14.712-07:00"Shouldn't they lead rather than follow s..."Shouldn't they lead rather than follow social trends?"<br /><br />That's how I feel about it too. When it comes to positive change, they're always behind the curve. If they were getting revelation from God, wouldn't they be ahead of it? Like my brother says, "Is something still a revelation if it's only revealed after it's already become painfully obvious to the rest of the world?"Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129509609170344883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-11386413785569910942011-03-23T13:41:25.132-07:002011-03-23T13:41:25.132-07:00Steve, how did I let this gem slip down in my blog...Steve, how did I let this gem slip down in my blog roll? I'm glad you brought up this topic that nobody wants to talk about. I can't help but wonder if BYU would have treated a pioneer stock white player as they did Brandon Davies.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-73411233125272284142010-10-17T13:43:47.966-07:002010-10-17T13:43:47.966-07:00Thanks Carla and Donna. I wish I could pump this ...Thanks Carla and Donna. I wish I could pump this stuff out faster but besides not being as talented a writer as others (present company included), I always let myself get carried away in all the research and I take forever.<br /><br />I've got a long list of topics I want to cover, but it seems like new topics crop up faster than I am able to write!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-84701877951878245332010-10-17T07:01:13.465-07:002010-10-17T07:01:13.465-07:00Wow, I didn't know they edited BKP's talk ...Wow, I didn't know they edited BKP's talk to "clarify his intent." Seemed pretty clear to me! We've been having good fun with him here at the exmo conference. Good post, Steve. Keep 'em coming!Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-82448435863980224282010-10-16T21:49:20.288-07:002010-10-16T21:49:20.288-07:00Very interesting post!Very interesting post!Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-6791791561272656282010-09-09T20:51:06.455-07:002010-09-09T20:51:06.455-07:00Good point Carla. I suppose it is okay when it is...Good point Carla. I suppose it is okay when it is branded.<br /><br />Thanks for reading!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-56111678402368512162010-09-08T18:38:48.995-07:002010-09-08T18:38:48.995-07:00Another awesome post!Another awesome post!Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-68399964257660016452010-09-08T18:37:59.142-07:002010-09-08T18:37:59.142-07:00This is awesome! As an English Lit major, I alway...This is awesome! As an English Lit major, I always love seeing connections between stories that cropped up in separate societies, and the life of Jesus is one I love to explore!Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-31577838797798335782010-09-08T18:34:17.195-07:002010-09-08T18:34:17.195-07:00The first story I learned about Smith that convinc...The first story I learned about Smith that convinced me he was not who he claimed to be.Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-30649461472946807172010-09-08T18:31:18.822-07:002010-09-08T18:31:18.822-07:00Also ironic that the D&C warns against speakin...Also ironic that the D&C warns against speaking the name too often.Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-73060019153073088782010-09-08T18:23:41.011-07:002010-09-08T18:23:41.011-07:00just the kind of contradiction I find utterly fasc...just the kind of contradiction I find utterly fascinating about mormonism.Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-17764478548450212242010-08-12T21:24:04.919-07:002010-08-12T21:24:04.919-07:00Thanks Donna. It is nice to get the perspective o...Thanks Donna. It is nice to get the perspective of someone who lived through this. I can't imagine the conflict that must have gone through the minds of members. Those that weren't able to ignore the dissonance anyway.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-22668725553459941892010-08-11T15:08:47.976-07:002010-08-11T15:08:47.976-07:00I stood in line at BYU twice to have Dunn sign his...I stood in line at BYU twice to have Dunn sign his book for me. Then right after he was exposed by the guy at the AZ Republic, Mark's folks sent us a full set of his talks on tape, because, you know, "poor Brother Dunn." (Also they were probably on sale.) Sigh. Suffice to say the Holy Ghost has messed with my head on many occasions.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-49155700179281456012010-08-08T19:03:59.818-07:002010-08-08T19:03:59.818-07:00True, they are both weird. I had just grown accus...True, they are both weird. I had just grown accustomed to one method after having heard about it since Primary. Plus, the Urim and Thummim has always had a certain "vagueness" to its description and use that allowed me to rationalize any weirdness I suppose. (Was it worn or was it used for vision?) <br /><br />Additional "weirdness" of the use of the stone comes from its origin (found while digging, not delivered by an angel), its previous uses (treasure hunting and at least "the appearance" of occult practices), its discontinued use with subsequent "seers and revelators," and the fact that the stone in the hat practice at some point disappeared from open discussion within the church. But you're right, at this point I would be skeptical of either method.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-42581895784879041312010-08-04T08:22:12.932-07:002010-08-04T08:22:12.932-07:00While I agree there needs the artwork or lesson ma...While I agree there needs the artwork or lesson material on the method of translation needs to be fixed, is a peep stone really that much weirder than "two stones in silver bow...fastened to a breastplate...the possession and use of [which] constituted 'seers' in ancient or former time"?<br /><br />Granted, a Urim and Thummim is an Israelite artefact found in the Bible, but still...Trevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791029484660424055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-14696772753021337472010-06-24T14:46:35.599-07:002010-06-24T14:46:35.599-07:00A poster over on RfM he's kept a record of how...A poster over on RfM he's kept a record of how many times Jesus Christ was mentioned during F&T Meeting over the course of a year. Turned out Jesus came in a distant third to Joseph Smith and Thomas Monson. When the poster brought this up to his bishop, the bishop explained: "It's not necessary to mention Jesus because his name is on the front of our building." The RfM poster's reply: "Look at a can of Real Time Lemonade. Obviously it has real lemons inside, it says so on the can. Oops! Wrong. Just 'cause Jesus' name's on the building, doesn't mean he's inside." I beg to differ with Elder Nelson. It's the Mormon church, or Joseph Smith's church, or the church of Monson, or some more colorful descriptions unsuitable for your family blog. Moreover, you must know that the church never changes -- just people's memories!Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-313015468423248442010-04-20T19:53:51.685-07:002010-04-20T19:53:51.685-07:00Thanks Donna.
No, never heard about this one in m...Thanks Donna.<br /><br />No, never heard about this one in my church literature. Or at least nothing I can remember. I guess it could have been slipped in and sanitized so it was indistinguishable when I came across the story again later. It is in Rough Stone Rolling now, but I never read that one before I left.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05434379368047011449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-30555233968234335052010-04-19T15:32:14.323-07:002010-04-19T15:32:14.323-07:00Great post. I remember learning about the Kinderho...Great post. I remember learning about the Kinderhook Plates at BYU (I was there '76-'80.) Of course, my religion professor claimed that Joseph was on to the hoax. Did you hear about them at all at BYU? It seems that in recent years they've just stopped mentioning these "little flaws" in church history.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-73271566453536721312010-03-15T14:29:58.132-07:002010-03-15T14:29:58.132-07:00Great post -- or perhaps maddening one, as your de...Great post -- or perhaps maddening one, as your description of the various forms of LDS Inc. circumlocution is mind-numbingly accurate. Perhaps another way to avoid the pitfalls of prophecy is to conveniently forget that you're a prophet, aka Gordon B. Hinckley on Larry King. (I'm an "example.")Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5472186651678748693.post-24773593195619571542010-01-14T16:29:16.417-08:002010-01-14T16:29:16.417-08:00Great post, Steve. The quote from HWH reminds me o...Great post, Steve. The quote from HWH reminds me of the day when BYU devotionals actually stimulated thought, and General Conference wasn't scripted. But you do know, Steve, that Jesus was born on April 6, right? lolDonna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.com